Bob McGinn Green Bay Packers Post-Draft Chat : Packers Insider

Bob McGinn Green Bay Packers Post-Draft Chat

May 13, 2015 by  
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~Journal Sentinel beat writer Bob McGinn answered questions about the Packers and the NFL draft during a chat Monday.

 

  • Q: AZ Warrior – Bob – Thanks for the chat. What do you think of our offensive line depth? We are good at center, and Barclay can likely provide serviceable back up at guard, but if we get an injury at tackle, I’m afraid AR’s protection will not be worthy of, well, AR.
  • A: Bob McGinn – Thanks to all for participating. It’s a sunny, beautiful spring day in GB. Now to the questions ..AZW: True, they didn’t draft any guards or centers since end of the season. They did add two guards and a tackle in college FA. One of the guards, Pitt’s Matt Rotheram, was regarded as a draftable prospect by several teams and should be in the running to make club. Josh Walker is back from the P-squad and is a massive, impressive-looking athlete. He’s a guard as well. FA G Marcus Reed is 355 pounds and isn’t a bad player, either. Improved depth will have to come from FA class.
  • Q: Carl Gerbschmidt, Elk Mound – Hi Bob, crazy question: with their high-powered explosive offense, is TT thinking they won’t be behind that much so are less concerned about big guys who can stop the run and more focused on pass defense?
  • A: Bob McGinn – Carl: That is possible. It’d be a mistake to think that way, but it is possible.
  • Q: gene, chicago – thanks for taking my question. I had not seen any description of D Randall from Arizona State as a 1st rounder until you quoted scouts after the 1st round who said he might be a 1st rounder. Would it have been wiser to try to get Randall later and use the #30 pick on a more highly rated player like the numerous players picked immediately afterward ? Why does Ted see certain players more highly than everyone else (such as K. Thornton from last year)
  • A: Bob McGinn – Gene: No, there was sentiment for Randall in D1. I took a stab and tossed him No. 20 to Philly. He wouldn’t have lasted beyond 45. I don’t think the Packers view players much differently than the norm.
  • Q: BrocknMac, Boston, MA – Hi Bob: Thanks for the chat. One question that I fail to see asked during draft day is what are the realistic expectations, medically and otherwise, for career length after serious knee surgery? Do teams really expect the injury will not effect the potential length of a career or do they just look at the average NFL career length and think that tenure is possible at least?
  • A: Bob McGinn – Brock: Each knee is different, and so is each evaluation by the team’s orthopedic guy. Hard to generalize here.
  • Q: Chris A., Mukwonago – Enjoy your draft coverage, especially look forward to the scouts opinions on Packer draft selections. It seems as though some prospects have vastly different opinions from different scouts. Do you see a correlation between certain scout’s opinions and win/lose record on their team?
  • A: Bob McGinn – CA: No. Scouts work hard at what they do. It truly is an inexact science. You can see that on the Packers’ top picks when I include everything I received pre-draft on the player. Evaluations often are all over the board. That’s the way it is in draft meetings. You might have four scouts who have seen/written a report on a guy, and maybe a position coach. The GM conducts that meetings, ask what they saw. All five probably see the guy a different way. They jointly look at tape trying to reach a consensus. Then it’s up to GM and his top 1 or 2 aides to make decision and assign a final grade on player. Nothing easy about it even though so often fans think it is.
  • Q: packer fan in medina, medina wa – I thought the packer draft was very disappointing. the team needs to get better to pass the seahawks as the best team in the fc. however, I see no improvement for 2015 with this draft class. do you see any players that will contribute as starters for the packers this year or will play a substantial role in the team’s improvement? all of the national sources rate the packer draft as one of the poorest in the league. while we know it is too early for a final grade, how do rate the draft versus the other top teams in the nfc? thank you for your thoughts.
  • A: Bob McGinn – Medina: Forget all that garbage from “national sources.” They’re all in way over their heads. Just filling space, really. They have no idea who the players will be out of this draft. No one does. That’s the fascination of it. I went over the Packers’ eight picks with four personnel guys Sunday. That followed talking to countless other personnel guys about the Packers’ picks and several hundred other players before the draft. Please read what we had in today’s paper.
  • Q: Brendon, Bend, OR – Like the draft but puzzled why we didn’t take Paul Dawson when he was available.Looks like he’s much more of a hitter than Ryan, who reminds me of Hawk-great guy, leader, but not a special athletic talent. what do you think?
  • A: Bob McGinn – Brendon: My guess is the Packers passed Dawson three times because they thought he was too slow and didn’t like his person. Dawson ran 4.90 at combine, then improved to 4.78 at pro day. He was 235 at combine before dropping to 230 on pro day when he knew lowering his 40 would determine his fate. Ryan was 240 at combine when he ran 4.65. Scouts said there was no question that Dawson played the game much better than Ryan. Some doubted how effective he would be at the NFL level. In other words, would his speed cause him to be a step slow chasing 4.5 RBs instead of 4.6 RBs. I saw Ryan a bunch during his four years because it’s my alma mater. He was an excellent OLB in a 3-4 for first two years before the ACL. He made a ton of tackles in the middle in 2014.
  • Q: Zook, Little Canada, MN – Bob, if you had a crystal ball how do you think this draft class will be considered 5 years from now?
  • A: Bob McGinn – Zooker: Mine’s permanently busted.
  • Q: John , Brookfield WI – Do you put any stock in what Kiper/McShay have to say? Something tells me “No”.

    McGinn thinks that he’s the only one who gets comments from scouts and NFL personnel people? Kiper and McShay talk to 10x more scouts, GMs, agents, and players than McGinn does.

  • A: Bob McGinn – John: Why would I do that when so many personnel people working for teams graciously give me their time and expertise? Besides, those two have never worked as scouts or coaches. Also remember one thing. Everyone on NFL Network has checks signed by the league. Everyone at ESPN, CBS, NBC and Fox work for entities that pay millions to be broadcast partners with the league. They’re all going to go only so far in their reporting (at JS, we aren’t paid by the league). They’re entertainers. It was remarkable to me the reaction on NFL Media and elsewhere regarding Part 2 of the draft series when more than one evaluator compared Winston to Russell. Granted, the comparison was unflattering, but that’s life. Anyway, it set off a tempest. It stunned me. Those guys on TV blab draft month after month. Don’t tell me the Winston-Russell comparison (weight, size, ints, focus, Jimbo Fisher coached both, etc) didn’t cross someone’s mind. If it did, apparently no one dared bring it up. You get a lot of niceties on TV and in NFL Media stories, and a little bit of realism. But they will only go so far in what they say and write. The NFL wants to play the games and cover the games.
  • Q: HawkFreeZone, Chilton, WI – Bob, my sense is that this draft did not make this team any tougher. Your views?
  • A: Bob McGinn – HFZ: Again, hard to say. Montgomery might run tough on KOs. Ryan might be a tough guy. If Ripkowski makes it he might hit people despite his average size. Ringo is a strong though undersized 3-tech. But toughness isn’t a problem in GB these days.
  • Q: Joe Martinez, State College, PA – The Draft came and went without a selection that reinforces the NT, while Christian Ringo was a intriguing pick that fit the Mike Daniels mold… Letory Guion and BJ Raji sit as the only 2 NT with extensive experience, yet have both proven relatively ineffective, and only signed to one year contracts… Does TT have faith that either Mike Pennel or Khari Thronton could challenge for the role this summer?
  • A: Bob McGinn – Joe: He has three NTs in Raji, Guion and Pennel. He signed a fourth in Ole Miss’ Lavon Hooks. That’s enough noses, for goodness sakes. If he needs a body Ryan Pickett is out there. As for 5-tech, they could have used one. Can’t draft it all, I guess.
  • Q: Dean, Waukesha, WI – As I look at the list of UDFA’s I don’t see any ILB’s listed, no other players competing for a job in what remains a weak position group. I find this both confusing and troubling. What’s your take?
  • A: Bob McGinn – Dean: Tavarus Dantzler of Bethune-Cookman is an ILB. Joe Thomas, a fairly impressive rookie FA last summer, is back and could make a run. Nate Palmer is there as well. It’s tough to say anything about ILB until the regular season starts and we see how much Mike McCarthy uses Clay Matthews there.
  • Q: Joe, Springfield, VA – Bob…it???s always interesting reading the fans??? commentaries after the draft (and just about after everything Packers??? related) since it???s usually incredibly emotional, full of hyperbole, rarely fact based, and na??ve. As a fan who often finds himself incredulous after reading some of the posts, how do you manage to put up with it? Thanks!
  • A: Bob McGinn – Joe: I have to ignore it all. We all have jobs to do. Mine is to help readers make informed opinions. What I don’t need to be doing is reading comments from fans. No harm intended. I just talk with team personnel around the league because they know football. Then form my own thoughts. It’s the best way I know to do this job.
  • Q: John, Milwaukee – Hi Bob – thank your for your consistently great work! A quick question: Does this draft signal the end of the Jarrett Bush era in Green Bay? He was the target of much fan criticism over the years, but I always appreciated his toughness, work-ethic, and ability to tune out the noise and focus on his job. I understand the desire to get younger, but I have to think the DB room would miss the leadership and example provided by Bush and Tramon Williams.

    Without Bush and his interception of Roethlisberger, the Packers may not have been Super Bowl XLV Champions.

  • A: Bob McGinn – John: On Friday, CB coach Joe Whitt brought up Bush as being in free-agent limbo. After drafting two CBs, the Packers added two more FAs. Jarrett won’t be 31 for a few more weeks. I’ve probably never covered a harder-working player. If it isn’t Green Bay, I sure hope he finds work with another team. What a class act. I always teased him about sloughing off, did he run the extra stadium, how much time post-practice did he spend on the field. He’d cock his eyebrow and always laugh. He’s such an earnest guy. Jarrett Bush will be missed inside that team.
  • Q: John, Bloomington, IN – ‘I’d be leery to spend a draft pick on this guy.’ That is a pretty harsh take on our 2nd round pick. Do you build your sense of some players based on the track records of some of these scouts you talk with? That is, this scout really tends to pan guys and they usually end up being solid NFL players, so I will sort of disregard his opinion?
  • A: Bob McGinn – John: No. I gather as many scouts’ opinions as I can, present all of them to you, the reader (at least all I have on every GBP draft pick) and let you decide. If you get the feeling that scouts differ on players, you’re right. As for being pretty harsh … hey, football is a pretty harsh business. I try to take readers places they can’t go themselves. I love writing it. Hope you enjoy reading it.
  • Q: Jeff Babcock, Manitowoc, WI – Bob, Thank you very much for the GREAT pre-draft series. That’s one of the main reasons I subscribe! After reading the series & your review of the draft choices, this seems like an entire draft of boom or bust selections. Am I reading this correctly? Who do you see as the most productive in 2015? Who has the best career? Who has you shaking your head in wonder? thanks!
  • A: Bob McGinn – Jeff: I tried to come to grips with that question in the column today. I knew nothing about Ringo and Backman before the draft. After talking to four personnel guys Sunday, I can see why the Packers made those picks.
  • Q: Tom, Appleton – Do you think the Packers would look into signing an inside guy like the free agent LB from Buffalo once they no longer count in the compensatory formula? Or do you think they are happy with where they stand on the inside?
  • A: Bob McGinn – Tom: Thompson never does stuff like that. Their roster is almost tight to 90. They feel they’re good where they’re at, and I imagine many teams around the league view GB as a strong Super Bowl contender in 2015…My time has expired, faithful readers. Thanks for reading us at JS//BOB McGINN

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